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Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

There excellent orthodontist in Toronto and most of them can manage your case. I can name some, but there would be too many. It would be very helpfull if you could tell me in which area of Toronto you live and I will ask a friend if he can recommend 1 or 2 names. My concerns is that you already met 4 orthodontists. I would be surprise if there opinion would be very different from one another. The same would apply to the oral surgeon you met.
You can write their name in you reply. I WILL NOT publish their name ( I am the only moderator of this blog) and may tell you i know this one or the other, but it would not mean that those I don't know are not good.
I hope that help.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Having a transpostion do not mean that it will end up with extraction of permanent teeth. However, it might be necessary to manage the eruption of the transposed teeth by extraction of primary teeth.
I am quite sure it would be too early to take the decision to extract permanent teeth because of the transposition, but it is not imposible that once in permanent dentition, extraction could be a treatment option.
It is hard to tell with so little information.
Your IP address indicate that you likely live in Hawaii. I don't know orthodontist in your area, but I am sure there are many good one.

Carolyn says:

Dear Dr. Chamberland,

I would greatly appreciate your professional advice on my complex case.

I developed tmd 6 months ago with symptoms of clicking/popping when swallowing, ROM 32-35mm, difficulty chewing properly, sometimes even difficulty swallowing and talking. I have a deep overjet and overbite which seems to have gotten worse. My occlusion is completely off as I have no teeth contact except for one molar. I had an MRI and was diagnosed with mild anteromedial displacement with a bit of left condyle flattening but was told my joints are adaptive. I have consulted with several dentists, 4 orthos and oral surgeon but I'm not sure which is the best approach for treatment based on my case. My main concern is finding optimal jaw position and fixing my bite. I’m from the Toronto area, do you know of any specialist who has expert knowledge in tmd and malocclusion? Thanks in advance!

Jon says:

Hi,
Our 10 yr old has left upper canine/pre-molar transposition. Is it possible to avoid extraction of permanent teeth?

Are you able to give referrals for our area?

Thank you

Jon & Caroline

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Complex Odontoma


.Thank you for sending me the panogram of your 14 years old daughter.

The white arrow indicate a complex odontoma, which mean more than one supernumary tooth in one follicle.

There is absoulutely no doubt that the complex odontoma and the primary canine HAVE to be extracted.

You sent me the writtent reports of your orthodontistQUote:

1- the location of the root of the horizontal canine is positioned about two teeth BEHIND where it normally would reside.

2-The mechanics of bringing in the canine without damage would involve sliding the tooth horizontally forward through the lower jaw bone and then uprighting it 90 degrees once it passes the roots of the premolar, this is physiologically/orthodontically impossible to do.

I understand his concern and yes it may be very difficult, may be impossible to bring the canine without some damage to the roots of the adjacent premolars.

I understand your concerns about losing the permanent canine and this mean that an implant will be necessary when she turn 18 or so.

The question are:

Is there an orthodontist who will be willing to try to bring this canine in?

Personnaly, I would be willing to try if you accept that I may not succeed. If I succeed, I am a king. If I failed, you were told that it may failed


Are you willing to pay the extra fee for this difficult treatment?

I would likely charge 1,5 to 2 k over the regular orthodontic treatment fee.


How long would it take?

It is a minimum of 12-18 months for the canine. Likely 36-40 months total treatment time.


I understand the surgeon's reason to extract the canine:

1. Association of this tooth with Cyst and tumor,

Yes, this is possible, but he can take the decision "in situ" once he open the field. If he can dissect the odontoma from the canine follicle. He can have access to bond a button to the canine and a chain or a ligature to use for pulling the tooth.


2. Severe deep impaction in the inferior border of the mandible.

A surgeon do not move teeth. He may not know if he did not see an orthodontist who would try.


At such far distance, it is difficult for me to tell you what you should do and more difficult to tell your orthodontist or the surgeon that they should try to bring the canine in.

I would try to bring the canine in, but there is an expression "gérant d'estrade" that means it is easy to say it should be done this way if you are not the one who will do it.

In my area, I would tell to the parents and the surgeon to let me try it. we have very few to loose. We may gain a lot.

It is your call. I am quite sure your orthodontist is a good orthodontist even if I don't know who he is.

I hope that help.

I will watch you reply.

Kim Sav says:

Oral surgeon and orthodontist advise that we extract deeply impaced madibular canine from our 14 year old daughter (turned 14 July 2017).
The canine is horizontally positioned and there is an odontoma and primary canine above it.
We dont know if we should extract adult canine, it is not pointed up at all.
Completely horizontal low in her jaw. Odontoma has no symptoms.

Anika says:

Hello,

Is it possible to fix bimaxillary protrusion with appliances? I've had jaw surgery as a teen, and braces. I'm very happy with my teeth. I just am self conscious about my protruding mouth. Thank you!

Hasan says:

Thank you for your informative article.
From your experience with these brackets, which one you think it's better, from orthodontist point of view, empower or bioquick brackets? And empower ceramic or quicklear brackets?

Thanks a lot

Paula says:

Hi my name is paula I'm 32 years old and I had braces at very young age until 16 due my upper jaw was protrude they took two teeth out so they can move the maxilla back, but my profile still looks a bit protrude can this mask help me to close the spaces where the teeth were there? Thank you

Paul says:

Hi Dr, I live in Australia.My orthodontists is telling me I have to have this procedure but I don't want it. He said that there is nothing else he can do now and I must have this procedure. I've had my braces on for 7 months and I don't care if it takes 5 years. I don't care how long it takes. do I have to have this done ?
I'm 54 years old and cant afford it. I have to save up for it. I'm still paying him for the braces on a payment plane which he has charged me $9.5 K. Ill be paying this plan till the end of 2018. Can you help me to know what to do ?
I have asked if he can use the new Propel treatment that is being used over seas with great success. Its available here now and new Zealand. the propel device cost $250 and is a lot less invasive with quick procedure, no needles, just anacetic ointment.
Back to work after 1 hour. My current ortho said he wont use it as he has all the gear to do it old school and he wants to do it.
I have asked if I can have my oral surgeon to perform this operation in a privet hospital, but he wants to do it in his dentist chair ?
Is this a good idear ?

Kim says:

My 12 yr old son has a very horizontal impacted canine just above and between his two front teeth. The ortho said there's no more hope to move it back because it will damage the 2 front teeth. She said it needs to be extracted and an implant done later. Is there really no hope? Could I possibly send you the pic so you can assess better? Thanks so much for your time.

kim says:

My 12 yr old son has a very horizontal canine in his upper gums which is just above and between his two front teeth. Is there still any hope to bring it down to it's rightful place or is extraction the only option? Looking at the xray pic, it seems like a very complicated case. Could you please tell me if there's a chance to correct it and how the ortho and oral surgeon would most likely do? I can't seem to wait for the orthodontist appointment which is not till mid Aug. and since I found out this week, I have been extremely worried everyday and feel so bad for my son. Could I send you a pic so you can assess better? Don't know where I should send it to. Hope to hear your professional opinion. Thanks so much for your time.

Kate says:

Thank you so much for your response. I am very appreciative of the advice you have provided, as we now have an idea of an appropriate course of treatment. We live in regional Australia, and their are no orthodontists local to us. I have made an appointment with our nearest orthodontist (1.5hrs travel) and will see if he is willing to ligate the tooth. If not, we may need to travel further! 🙂
Thank you once again,
Kate

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Mandibular impacted canine & Maxillary impacted canine


Thank you for sending me the panogram.

Tooth #33 is deep impacted in the symphysis. Tooth 23 (upper left) is high impacted. There is 2 remaining primary canines (c) and 1 missing lower right 2nd premolar (X).

I would definitely recommend the extraction of the remaining 2 primary canines.

I hope you will find an oral surgeon that would accept to bond a chain on the crown of the tooth #33 and an orthodontist that will do the orthodontic traction. The same apply for tooth #23.

That is what I would do.

I understand that some orthodontist may say it will take too long but it is worth giving it a try. I did many.

I don't know where you live, but I would assume there are many good orthodontist in your area.

Kate Harwood says:

My daughter is 12 years and 9 months, and we were recently advised by our dentist to have an OPG taken as she still had two baby canines.
We received the results today, and the OPG shows both upper canines are impacted and one lower canine is impacted in the jaw horizontally.
Our dentist has recommended we find an orthodontist, but I don't know how to find one who is competent in treating what we have been told is a very complicated issue.
Can you advise on what we should be looking for? I have sent a copy of her OPG to your facebook page.
Thank you so much for your time.

shweta says:

i will surely do that next time....
thank you soo much for your advise doctor...:)

NYCMama says:

The orthodontist, who seemed to have about a decade of experience (perhaps mostly with teens and adults), told this 9 year old girl in order to have a beautiful smile you need perfectly aligned teeth and perfectly spaced teeth.
She said to my child I want to help you achieve this beautiful smile...
So, I'm telling your mom you have impacting canines and an overbite which will make a smile not beautiful.
This caused my daughter
to look in the mirror at home for the first time ever and ask me why her smile is not beautiful.
I am a mother, so I am subjective of course...but I think my daughter is gorgeous inside and out...and I told her some people in the world don't embrace imperfections as being beautiful...especially in America where they spend a fortune to look unnatural.
I think it is not decent to tell a child her smile is not beautiful (especially when strangers we meet tell her how beautiful her teeth are)...her teeth are still coming in, she just turned 9 this spring...so there will be awkward stages...&
they are shifting and she has a growing jaw as well, so I am sure it is not perfect to any orthodontist...but we only came to her office because the dentist was worried the TOP permanent canines may be impacting the roots of the other permanent teeth and may not erupt properly, not for a beauty lecture.
I like how you phrase it on your web site if YOU do NOT like your smile, this is what can be done...rather than telling a young patient their smile is not beautiful and making her focus on something slightly imperfect that she didn't even notice before this exam...and was 100% confident in every aspect of herself (her appearance, talents etc.)

Thank you again!

NYCMama says:

Your response helped tremendously, doctor!
I can't thank you enough for your voluntary service... posting x-rays and suggestions on this web site (and doing it in your own limited free time).
Helping to inform the public...not just patients (and for children, their concerned parents) but also for less experienced orthodontists to learn more information about the movement of canines.
Thanks again!

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:



Hi Karen

I isolate the fields of interest and traced ligns that would help to visualize the movement of the canine.

It is obvious that the canine moved favorably. 8 weeks is a very short period. I usually wait 6 months before taking a new xray.

I would not worry that much for resorption. The canine is palatal, away from the root of the lateral incisors and away from the 1st premolar.

The prognosis is good.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

When asking me a question. it is important that you provide as much information as you can so I can better understand the problem. Having bimax protrusion with lots of spacing is quite different than a bimax protrusion without spacing.
Therefore, in your case, it is of outmost importance to close all the spacing by retracting the anterior teeth before any premolar extraction.