The comments

Kal says:

Hi I have been told by the orthodontist that my 12 year old daughters impacted, displaced lower canines 33 and 43 need to be surgically removed. The orthodontist also wants to extract 73 and 83 before fitting braces. She has said it is a 'hopeless' case and extraction is the only option.
I can send you the X-ray. Please can you advise if there is any other way
Thank you
Kal

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Pyramid of Clinical Evidence versus Pyramid of Denieal


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The goal of this article was to review different fixed fonctionnal that  I have used over the last 20 years or so after using Bionator, Frankell and Head gear in the early years of my career. I did a literature review to discuss the different treatment effect of each appliance.

I tried to do it objectively, but you are not objective in your comments. Your comments made me think of a blog of Kevin O'brien : Uncertainty and the pyramid of denial

If I would rank your comment in the pyramid of clinical evidence and denial, it would be at the 1st level: case report/expert opinion/ I know best.

I said in my article that Xbow device used with Forsus device is effective to correct class II malocclusion, but other class II corrector device can do the same.

There is no study that support your claim that Xbow/Forsus combo is the most efficient class II appliance. This is a commercial claim, like Damon Bracket is best SLB, or Smartclip is the best invention since slice bread. Such claim has little value.

In item #4 you mention correcting the transverse relationship is an advantage of Xbow combo. This is not unique to Xbow. Correcting the transverse relationship can be done with most other fixed functional appliances.

I did not want to do the promotion of Carriere Motion either, as I did not use it yet, but I plan to try it.

May be I did it wrong when I tried this labiolingual appliance, may be I should have ask to the magic man, may be your patients are different than mine, but I stopped using Xbow device because it flared too much the lower incisors even I I can count on God and relapse.

Nevertheless I was able to correct class II malocclusion using differents appliances over the years. It was worth the effort and my patients loved the results.

 

 

 

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Pfiouf! I was surprise.

You have to balance the benefit from the use of the CPAP, which I would assume is valuable for you against de disadvantage of having some dental change.

If change occurs, it could be some bite opening between the incisors. but studies show that there much less change than oral appliance therapy for apnea.

If change occurs, it may take long to occur. I would recommend that you visit your dentist every 6-12 months and ask him to take note of your overbite and overjet.

Dr Herb Hughes says:

I've been using the Xbow/Forsus Combo treatment for over 10 years and have completed over 500 cases. Most of my class II cases I treat in less than 18 months (5-6 months Xbos followed by 10-12 months of braces or clear aligners). It is the most efficient class II corrector on the market today! Below are a couple of comments that I wanted to share with you about the article.

1* Totally agree that the lion’s share of movement with a functional appliance is dentoalveolar.
2• Xbow/Forsus Combo is the most efficient class II appliance on the market today.
3• Goal is to achieve an excellent and stable result in the least amount of time. With that said, I try to correct several issues at the same time and at the right time. Don’t start too early wait until permanent teeth have fully erupted.
4• Another advantage of the Xbow is correcting the transverse relationship. It has been shown that most class II malocclusions have a narrow maxilla and can benefit from lateral expansion which the Xbow delivers nicely.
5• I believe (no research to back up my statement) that after expanding the maxillary expansion appliance it loosens both sutures and teeth. The net effect after inserting the Forsus Springs is a turbocharged movement of the dentoalveolar complex.
6• The Xbow/Forsus Combo requires less patient cooperation than many other class II correctors while minimizing undesirable forces or movements such as the Carrier System which requires elastic wear can pull down the maxillary anterior occlusal plane leading to a gummy smile line.

The Xbow/Forsus combo just like any other orthodontic appliance takes a little bit of time getting use to but it is well worth the effort and your patients will love the results!

HLM says:

I suck on an adult sized pacifier from 5-7 hours a day while hooked up to a CPAP machine (sleep apnea). I keep it in by using a chinstrap. This is done to significantly reduce air leakage. What kind of occlusal changes can occur and in what time frame?

Hayley says:

I do understand!
I am thankful to have found your page.
Your insight definitely gave us hope. I will share your site with anyone I meet in future who has need.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

That is good news. Tanks for the suggestion but writing a book is a lot of work. I have difficulty to replys to the many question I received on time. I prefer a website so the information is available for the public, which is the goal. I select the question to provide the most usefull information to the public.

I am also engage in lecturing to graduate student in orthodontics and international orthodontic meeting. I also to run my practice and have a private life.
I am willing to publish the panogram before the 2nd surgery and a follow up that show the teeht has moved if you can get them.

Send it to my professional facebook page.

Best regards

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Extraction of 4 premolars and retraction of the anterior teeth was the way to do. However, the orthodontist should mange the mechanics while doing the retraction to avoid deepning of the bite. Yes he can mange to reopen the bite to achieve a normal overbite if he knows the menchanics. It seem he is struggling.

Hayley says:

Thank-you for the response

I can report that the oral surgeon reattached the chain at a more distal
Position (I believe) and together with the orthodontist attached more wires to apply strong force to change the direction of the pull.

The force is very strong but I am happy to report that as of last week, the tooth looks to be moving out of the bone and away from the lateral incisor. It has taken approx. 3 months.

We are hopeful 😊

I will keep you informed of the progress but feel disillusioned and frustrated that some orthodontists are willing to write off canine impactions as ankylosis and just quit! I'm also glad that I was firm when the oral Surgeon wanted to do root canals, canine and extraction and an implant.

If you have not done so already, you should publish a case-studies book for professional training. It seems to me that many would benefit from your expertise in this field.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

A panoramic radiograph can not tell if a canine is buccal or palatal. However, an experienced clinician can estmiate with palpation of the alveolar process and the radiographic examination will identified the position buccal or lingual.

Palatal impaction


In the picture on the left, one can see the root of the incisors superposed with the crown of the canine and we can palpate the bilge in the palate. This mean that they are palatal.

 

Buccal impaction


When the canine are impacted in a vestibular position, the  crown ot the lateral incisors are often displaced labially because the canine is buccal to their root. The palpation will reveal coving buccal to the laterals.

I hope that help.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Sorry for the late reply.
No it is unusual to recommend root canal therapy if the cause of the resorption is the canine that is contacting the root. The direction of pull should be change to move the crown of the canine away from theroot of the incisors.
Once the canine is away and there is no orthodontic force apply on the lateral, there will be healing of surface and the resorption will stop. However, it will never grow again.
I hope the orthodontic team at NYC has solved the problem.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

I may need more than a photo. I need a panogramm at least and a PA ceph. You can send it via my professional facebook page.

Yousef says:

Hi doctor hope you doing well, I'm going to ask you how can we determine that canine has bucally or palatally impacted only with panoramic radiogaphy.please guide . Thanks for your time

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Hi Dr. Higgins,

Thank you for pointing out my error in the paragraph about Dr. Miller’s paper. I went back to the original paper and made the correction. I hope I got it right this time.

Xbow® and Forsus™


Maybe you can clarify if the mean treatment time of 24 months of the Xbow group included both phase 1 Xbow therapy and phase 2 with full edgewise brackets. Did the data of treatment time had a normal distribution?

Dr Proffit's lecture AAO 2017, San Diego


Since you attended Dr. Proffit’s lecture at the AAO meeting in San Diego, you certainly noted that he said that for clinical significance, one should not only compare 2 means. The mean treatment time of the Xbow group was 24,18 ± 5,26 months and the mean for the Forsus group was 30,17 ± 7,66 months.

It would be interesting to divide the treatment time in 3 groups: <24 months, 24 to 30 months, > 30 months, assess the number (or %) of patients Xbow and Forsus that were treated in less than 24, 24-30 or more than 30 months and find out if there is a difference in the number of patients for each treatment protocol in each strata of treatment time.

I think the orthodontist clinician would benefit from knowing that using A or B protocol of treatment, chances are that Z% of the time the treatment time would be 24 months or less, Y% would be 24-30 months and so on…

That is how Dr. Proffit told me to present the data on SARPE and the data of genioplasty. It gives a much clearer picture of the outcome, especially when the outcome data are not normally distributed, which almost always is the case.

CAO 66th Annual Scientific Session, 2014


This webpage is a resume of the lecture I did at the panel on Fixed Appliance Management of Class II Malocclusion at the 66th Annual Scientific Session of the Canadian Association of Orthodontist. The other panel members were Dr. Miller, Dr. Ramzi and Dr. Goodday.

I was the outlier who was not promoting a Unitek product or a product in which I would have financial interest.

My message was that all these appliances work about the same way.

Most studies showed:

  • • Some restriction of Mx forward growth

  • • No significant increase of Md growth

  • • Significant dentoalveolar change at end of ortho

  • • Class II correction is maintained at 2 y follow up (83%)

  • • No significant skeletal change at 2 y follow up.


Among the side effect, incisor proclination occurred in spite of arch wire cinchback and -6° torque in the brackets. Therefore, wire-slot interplay should be reduced by using full dimensional arch wire and posterior cinchback. The use of TADs along with Class II correction device reduces lower incisors proclination (Aslan B, et al AO 2014;84;76-87). Extraction and cl II correction device is good marriage when space is necessary along cl II correction.

When comparing the cost, SUS2 was the least expensive followed by Esprit corrector. Forsus and Twin Force Bite Corrector (TFBC) are about the same price, but more expensive than SUS2 and Esprit. Xbow device was the most expensive as one has to pay for the Forsus and the Xbow device. You will likely argue that if it saves some months of treatment, it may be worth paying extra dollars.

Nowadays, Carriere Motion appliance is gaining popularity. Dr. McNamara at the University of Michigan is conducting new studies with that appliance. The preliminary results are promising.  The cost is about 270$ per unit so it ranks at the same price of Forsus and TFBC.
Carriere® Motion appliance permit the same advantage as Xbow reducing the treatment time of full fixed edgewise appliance. I am quite sure that side effect comes with the use of Carriere® Motion and this need to be managed.

Universal claims


Regarding the list of advantages to the Xbow appliance, many apply to other class II corrector devices :

1- Hyrax appliance can be use with any Class II corrector device, not only Xbow device.

3- If there is no buccal flaring, it is because there is a rigid trans-palatal device (an expansion device that is now not activated) maintain steady the molars. Any expansion device with any class II corrector device will do the same.

4- Asymmetric class II or class II subdivision is often explained by asymmetric growth at the condyle, one side being more distal than the other or by more mesial position of maxillary teeth on one side. This implies more distalization on class II side in the maxilla or mesialization of the class II side in the mandible. How can this can be achieve with the hyrax and the labiolingual appliance in place?

5- The need for phase 2. It is unlikely that despite adequate class II correction, there would not be other problems that need correction, like deep overbite, some rotation, some crowding. Therefore it depends on how much compromise the patient or the orthodontist is willing to accept. I doubt that a phase 1 only Xbow case would routinely meet the standards for satisfactory treatment, much less pass the requirements of ABO case or Angle case.

6- The relationship of reduction of white spot lesion and Xbow is weak. White spot lesions are related to the maintenance of good oral hygiene whether the treatment is long or short.

7- Xbow opens space for the erupting maxillary canines. This is true for any device that would distalise maxillary teeth to gain space for the canine.

Regarding the relapse of side effect (item 2) that occur in phase 1 Xbow therapy, perhaps there should be thanks to God that relapse exists. You don’t take cephs at the end of phase 1, but I often do. This permits to see the true effect of a given appliance. It is sad you did not.

Conclusion


I want to thank you for generating this discussion. I changed the paragraph to reflect Dr. Miller’s paper.

It gave me an opportunity to review cases that were treated with a labiolingual appliance.

In a private practice, I don’t have an ethics committee to tell me what to do, but keeping in mind the ALARA principle, my own ethics tells me to know what I have done with this or that appliance and that is why I may take a ceph after a particular phase of treatment. This is helpful to guide the mechanics of the phase 2.

In this sample of 3 selected cases, I can tell you that Phase 1 therapy with Labiolingual device (Xbow) and Forsus proclined the lower incisors by an average 17° ((15+14+22)/3) which is about 3 times what is reported because they did not look at it. The side effects relapse 2° in one case, 15° in the other and a class I occlusion was achieved in both treated cases.

We can conclude that the Labiolingual appliance and Forsus device is effective to correct class II malocclusion, but other class II corrector device can do the same. I think that Carriere Motion appliance is gaining in popularity and less Forsus device is employed nowadays.

Clinical case of Labiolingual appliance (Xbow)


I would like to share some cases with you and the public

Case 1




 

 

The picture on the left show the dental change following 5 months of Labiolingual appliance & Forsus device. Superposition of the tracing (pict on the right) shows proclination of the lower incisors of 22°, clockwise rotation of the occlusal plane and retraction of the maxillary teeth.

At the end of treatment, the red tracing show most side effect relapse and class I relationship was maintained.

The total treatment time was 23 months.

Case 2


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This 11 y. 5 m. old girl was in late mixed dentition, had retroclined lower incisors, impacted 23 and lip trap. The labiolingual appliance was selected because we could afford proclination of the lower incisors during phase 1 treatment. Lower incisors (/1-MP) was 93° at the end of treatment which is a normal value.

Case 3


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This is a transfer case from a friend orthodontist in Toronto. Progress ceph was done at the removal of the Xbow device. The duration of phase 1 is 11 months. Like the other 2 cases, lower incisors proclined and the occlusal plane rotate clockwise.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Thanks Krista to support Amanda's decision.
Thanks for sending your panogram too.

The prognosis of the upper left canine is very good. I would it is very easy.

The prognosis of the upper right canine is good too, but it will be more difficult and need some mechanics to achieve final position. The crow is low, I mean near the gingival, not burried thick bone.

I am confiendt that your orthodontist will succeed.

Keep us informed

Krista says:

Hi Amanda

I have the exact same situation as you. I am 41 though. My Ortho said prognosis is good and should move. The surgeon said the same thing about the bone as well. He made a "path" for them to come down. I see my ortho on Monday to tighten up the chains and hopefully pull them down.

Dr Jules Lemay - Orthodontiste says:

If a certified orthodontist really mentioned that an impacted canine can cause cancer, I would question where he got that information from because, as far as I know, there is absolutely nothing in the scientific literature to support such a claim...